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New Liquor Curfew Ordinance
You may be correct, but I don't think so.Tor said:
This is just my opinion, of course, but I think that at least half the late night crowd consists of thieves, pickpockets, drug addicts & dealers, and this new policy will make it extremely difficult for them to work those late hours.
Most of the criminals in Sosua are imported from other parts of the country.
If it gets too difficult for them to operate, they may just go back home.
I repeat that this is just my opinion and I may be way off base.
Anticipating results from a given action in the DR is not an exact science.
Never happen, its not the "Dominican Way", they love to party late, even in NYC, most of the Dominican spots are ghost towns before midnight, I can't see the "After-Work" parties happening, what I do see is more police lining their pockets with bribes from small colmados and tipicos.windeguy said:
It's naiveté on a grand scale to think closing bars early will stop crime. If anything it will increase crime because people who are gainfully employed now will no longer have an income. It definitely won't stop people from getting drunk. And no doubt this will affect tourism. I know you people who deservedly praise the country’s beauty believe people will come solely for that, however, a good deal of tourist come to party. They are on vacation after all. Look want you have here, no liquor in the resort casinos or discos at a relatively early point in the evening. Many of the folks who spend the most money at resorts will look to other countries for their fun. I see a lot of lost bookings if this idiocy continues and even more people thrust on to the street to make do without a job. A much better solution would be to clean up the police departments and for the government to set an example by prosecuting high profile criminals. We know though that will never happen. In that country only the poor are made to suffer.
What a load of crap
I was in the casino last night, I ordered a drink at about 10 to midnight - the usual Dominican service meant that the girl came back at 1 minute past midnight to tell me that the bar was closed. I've never known anything so stupid in all my life. I came here for the relaxed laws and the easy lifestyle. I might as well pack up and go home.
Sosua was DEAD by 1.00AM - not a soul around (they were probably all off in the suburbs breaking into houses to earn their money). What is more, it will make things worse not better, just like the UK where they are bringing in laws to EXTEND drinking hours in order to stop "binge drinking" and fighting. In the UK town centres all the bars and clubs kick-out at the same time. The streets are SCAREY places until the crowds disperse and now they're doing it here - I've never known anything so badly organised and ill advised. What a load of crap.
I was in the casino last night, I ordered a drink at about 10 to midnight - the usual Dominican service meant that the girl came back at 1 minute past midnight to tell me that the bar was closed. I've never known anything so stupid in all my life. I came here for the relaxed laws and the easy lifestyle. I might as well pack up and go home.
Sosua was DEAD by 1.00AM - not a soul around (they were probably all off in the suburbs breaking into houses to earn their money). What is more, it will make things worse not better, just like the UK where they are bringing in laws to EXTEND drinking hours in order to stop "binge drinking" and fighting. In the UK town centres all the bars and clubs kick-out at the same time. The streets are SCAREY places until the crowds disperse and now they're doing it here - I've never known anything so badly organised and ill advised. What a load of crap.
The more I think about this the more ****ed off I become. There is a segment of the DR economy, built around the late night sale of alcohol, that employees thousands. On a whim the government decides they can best combat crime by essentially throwing these people and their families into hardship. What's worse is that some of you actually feel the removal of the oppurtunity for a few pick pockets or prostitutes to operate late at night justifies this. Come on get serious. Do you really think this is beneficial to the country as a whole. Most of the sensational crimes I've read about recently in the DR occurred in the "DAY TIME". Are drug dealers going to stop selling drugs simply because they can't get a drink after 12:00 am? Are dominicans going to stop getting drunk and killing each other for the same reason? Does life in the barrio suddenly become ideal because bars are closed down early? Does life for expats improve? Does this stop thieves from breaking into your homes? This is ridiculous. My heart goes out to the many people (both adults and children) who will suffer as a result of this misguided ordinance.
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makes no sense!
If they are going to close down the bars, which is what they are actually doing, they may as well enforce a curfew! There is way too much of this economy that exists on late night partying, gambling, discos, and the like.
In a country with problems of unemloyment, this will only add. You are worried about crime? Why they can't switch to daylight hours? It's the old belief that your daughter's curfew should be by 12:00. Does that mean she can't have sex before 12:00? I never noticed there were usage hours posted on condoms!
Fernandez, let's get real! You want to deter crime? Get more cops, train them, and pay them to do their job! You want to limit the sale of alchohol? Make it a reasonable hour....Ny does it....2:00am and 4:am. Then everyone just goes to after hours clubs. In OK city you used to have to buy a membership in the bar if you wanted to have a drink. Once you had a memebrship in that bar, ( maybe $10) you could drink all you wanted. Maybe that's what they should do here? You buy a membership in Monte Christos, and then you can drink all night! They are no longer selling to the public! and AI'S?
Fernandez has done a lot for this country, and I beleive overall he is good for he country. But this time I think he has stepped in it real deep! His boots had better be real high becuase this one can bury him. This can be his downfall!
Just my 2 pesos!
JRR
If they are going to close down the bars, which is what they are actually doing, they may as well enforce a curfew! There is way too much of this economy that exists on late night partying, gambling, discos, and the like.
In a country with problems of unemloyment, this will only add. You are worried about crime? Why they can't switch to daylight hours? It's the old belief that your daughter's curfew should be by 12:00. Does that mean she can't have sex before 12:00? I never noticed there were usage hours posted on condoms!
Fernandez, let's get real! You want to deter crime? Get more cops, train them, and pay them to do their job! You want to limit the sale of alchohol? Make it a reasonable hour....Ny does it....2:00am and 4:am. Then everyone just goes to after hours clubs. In OK city you used to have to buy a membership in the bar if you wanted to have a drink. Once you had a memebrship in that bar, ( maybe $10) you could drink all you wanted. Maybe that's what they should do here? You buy a membership in Monte Christos, and then you can drink all night! They are no longer selling to the public! and AI'S?
Fernandez has done a lot for this country, and I beleive overall he is good for he country. But this time I think he has stepped in it real deep! His boots had better be real high becuase this one can bury him. This can be his downfall!
Just my 2 pesos!
JRR
The part of the law that concerns drinking while driving would be excellent for the country. A country where traffic accidents are the nr 1 or 2 cause of death, and that is in fact together with El Salvador the country with the highest rate of traffic casualties in the world could definitely benefit from such a law. The benefits of closing bars a couple of hours earlier are a bit more sketchy.
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I can understand the drinking and driving but closing bars so early is gonna kill tourism.I can even understand liquor stores stopping selling beer but in a club all your hurting is the working people and the tourists. Try fixing the problem by training the police and paying them and getting rod of all the corruption. Then youll have less crime.
I think this is a step in the direction of making the well educated young men and women (read putas and motoconios) go away from the bars and start developing computer software. Sosua will be the new Silicon Valley in a couple of months.
E pa lante que vamos
E pa lante que vamos
I was out late night yesterday. On the way to home, I decided to drive around to see if this new law is really in effect. I took a few turns into barrios and to my surprise, I really saw military and police petrolling the areas and all the colmados closed, except for a few buinesses with low music and some people had beers in their hands. It was only 12:15am so I guess they may not be selling beer after 12am.
Then I saw police stop over in a fruit stand and checked them to see if they were selling beers to public. The whole barrio was dead and no one on the street. Then on one main barrio street I saw people throw trash on the street to show their dissatisfaction with the government. I think this is the start of future riots.
AZB
Then I saw police stop over in a fruit stand and checked them to see if they were selling beers to public. The whole barrio was dead and no one on the street. Then on one main barrio street I saw people throw trash on the street to show their dissatisfaction with the government. I think this is the start of future riots.
AZB
Ordinance could be good
I think this ordinance is in fact needed and could lead to a positive result. Crime in DR is increasing dramatically and a serious problem to deal with. Those who worry about their late night drinks will have nowhere to go anyway when crime reaches critical levels, unless of course a Presidente is worth more than their own life.
In any case, i believe the Ordinance is good so long the government institute a night entertainment districts zoning. After midnight bars and clubs should be allowed to operate and sell liquor as long as the are located in "zoned" areas. Those locations will increase the purposed density and therefore its security. As in many, if not all places, security issues can mostly be controlled by vertical density versus horizontal. A designated area is always easier to control by the police, private security company and even indiduals.
Succesful business owners will migrate to those zoned areas while the outsiders will not be able to provide alcohol to already drunk criminals on a hunt for assaults, rapes or murders...
I have seen this work before. i don't know if it is part of the Governement's agenda though.
Just my opinion....
ciao
I think this ordinance is in fact needed and could lead to a positive result. Crime in DR is increasing dramatically and a serious problem to deal with. Those who worry about their late night drinks will have nowhere to go anyway when crime reaches critical levels, unless of course a Presidente is worth more than their own life.
In any case, i believe the Ordinance is good so long the government institute a night entertainment districts zoning. After midnight bars and clubs should be allowed to operate and sell liquor as long as the are located in "zoned" areas. Those locations will increase the purposed density and therefore its security. As in many, if not all places, security issues can mostly be controlled by vertical density versus horizontal. A designated area is always easier to control by the police, private security company and even indiduals.
Succesful business owners will migrate to those zoned areas while the outsiders will not be able to provide alcohol to already drunk criminals on a hunt for assaults, rapes or murders...
I have seen this work before. i don't know if it is part of the Governement's agenda though.
Just my opinion....
ciao
gamana said:
There are no studies that correlate drinking alcohol beverages to crime. However, there is an established direct correlation between illegal drugs and crime. And as we all know, the 20.000 drug selling spots ("puntos") that exists in the country (according to the Chief of Police, General Santana Paez) do not fall under the curfew. Also, the police and the military are heavily involved in the current spike of crime, according to cabinet minister and close advisor to the President Leonel Fernandez, Dr. Marino Vinicio Castillo (Vincho). The new ordinance may turn out to be counterproductive, by generating unemployment and despair, which is another element correlated with increased crime.