On January 26 they will decide whether to send Kenyan troops to Haiti

NALs

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Was there not an order given at one time in history by a Haitian leader named Dessalines to kill all the the non-blacks?
Use knives so as not to alert the others, etc...
That was in Haiti and to get an idea of how the masscres actually went, there are several eyewitness accounts still available. Here is one from Peter Chazotte who was 4 or 5 spared of the condemned in Jeremie because he had double citizenship, his native France and the United States, and the only one that knew English. Interestingly enough, he was friend with Thomas Jefferson, one of the founders and one of the firsts presidents of the USA. He is buried in Jersey City.

I'm actually convince the French colonist that managed to leave Saint-Domingue/Haiti during these types of events had an influence in the increasing intensity of racism in the USA that later became racial segregation. The US was the country that received most that left, especially in New Orleans, Charleston, Baltimore, Philadelphia, even New York City and other places along or near the east coast.

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The Place de Arms that he mentions is still there in Jeremie, Haiti. Now has the name Place Alexandre Dumas. In fact, the quadriculized street grid in all the Haitian cities for the most part were designed by the French and created in colonial times.

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In case anyone is wondering, yes he saved the life of the same General Borgellá that was the Haitian governor of the Ozama Department during the Haitian Domination based in SD (the place where he lived in SD is still there and is known as Borgella's Palace), the Boyer he met is the same Boyer that started the Haitian Domination, the Geffrard (he writes it Jeffrard) is the sameone that was president of Haiti around the 1860's, etc.


In the DR it was to kill all Dominicans since "the Spaniards" were blamed by him as having the sin of the French for siding with them in 1802. Plenty of blacks snd mulattoes were killed by him, a fact recognized even by Haitian historians and easily identifiable in various sources. For example, the massacre of Moca which is well known had two survivors because the girls pretended to be dead when the corpse of their aunt fell over them as a Haitian killed her along with everybody elsd and her blood covered them. These girls then escaped to Santiago and because of them this was known. They were daughters of a white woman and a black man, not mulatto but black. Both of her parents were kilked too. Being black wasn't enough to spare their father. The same is seen with many othef cases such as Henri Christophe was saying all types of improprieties to a group of prisoners prior to thrm be kilked on the cliff of the Yaque River seen in Santiago. But Campos Tavárez suddenly appeared and managed to convince Christophe to liberate the color prisoners. What would had happened if Tavárez never went before they were killed? There are msny more examples.

Then there were a couple more Haitian leaders that promised to do the same to Dominicans on two different times after the DR became independent.

But this is beyong the topic of the thread.
 

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Oh, forgot to mention that where Dessaline says "with them alone we currently have trade," he is referring that during the Haitian Revolution American traders were the only ones trading with the Haitians. Among the things they sold to the Haitians were guns, swords, bayonets... They didn't used just the ones taken from the French.

Then it dawns on you, did the Haitians killed many Dominicans with their bare hands? …
 

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The Canadian government agreed to commit $80.5 million yesterday to help kick start the Kenyan- Haitian intervention fiasco. Mercenaries aren’t as cheap as they used to be. The intervention funding started at $110 million, now estimated to cost $550 million. The bottom line is the Kenyans are in it for the money.

“The Kenyan police were warriors from the land of the red hot sun, their Kalashnikovs for hire, fighting to be done.

The deal was made in Kenya one dark and stormy day, they headed off to Haiti to join the bloody fray.”

Apologies to Warren Zevon and Roland the headless Thompson gunner.
 

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So now the Kenyans are going to Haiti after it was said they weren’t?
 

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So now the Kenyans are going to Haiti after it was said they weren’t?
Yes and No. The Kenya High court said they could go if there was a formal agreement in place between Kenya and Haiti. That and increased funding are the sticking points.
 

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Send lawyers guns and money, the sh*t has hit the fan
Even today, some soldiers in the heat of battle at night swear they’ve seen Roland the Headless Gunner carrying on the fight. War does strange things to your mind. Wonder if he will be seen in Haiti?

I was delighted to introduce my young nephews to Zevon’s brilliant music. Their parents, not so delighted.
 
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the Geffrard (he writes it Jeffrard) is the sameone that was president of Haiti around the 1860's, etc.
No, bro, that Geffrard was the father of the president you mention. He, as well as his superior on the mulatto ranks, Clervaux, ended up being poisoned by order of Dessalines. These two poisonings were the signal that the mulattos needed to convince themselves that Dessalines and them blacks planned to off them next wholesale after the whites were dispatched, and so, the mulattos moved first and arranged Dessalines being offed, with Christophe's secret acquiescence.
 

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So far nothing but words.

Anyone actually expect action?
Gaza and the Ukraine are getting the bulk of the world’s attention. Haiti will always be on the UN back burner until some headway is made towards peace in Gaza and the Ukraine. Kenya recently had some more internal political problems. It’s a house of cards Windy and could come crashing down at any moment. The short answer to your question is no and more and more less likely as time progresses.
 

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Gaza and the Ukraine are getting the bulk of the world’s attention. Haiti will always be on the UN back burner until some headway is made towards peace in Gaza and the Ukraine. Kenya recently had some more internal political problems. It’s a house of cards Windy and could come crashing down at any moment. The short answer to your question is no and more and more less likely as time progresses.
If there were no Gaza and Ukraine wars, the situation for Haiti would not be different. I agree as time progresses the answer was no, is no and will be no.
 

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If there were no Gaza and Ukraine wars, the situation for Haiti would not be different. I agree as time progresses the answer was no, is no and will be no.
Unless the Haitian mess gets to spill over and gets to replicate that same chaos here, and threatens the nearby islands, that is. But then, for some years now, some foreign parties (mainly NGOs and their paymasters) have salivated for said scenario, so as to have a greater space over which to ply their trade.
 

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Unless the Haitian mess gets to spill over and gets to replicate that same chaos here, and threatens the nearby islands, that is. But then, for some years now, some foreign parties (mainly NGOs and their paymasters) have salivated for said scenario, so as to have a greater space over which to ply their trade.
A fair bit of truth in what you post NS. Without Kenyan and/or UN intervention the Haitian situation will be status quo for the DR. No massive spillover of desperate Haitians trying to escape the violence of an intervention. Just a slow trickle which the DR military and the walls can control, not totally, but enough to allow the DR government to get on with the business of running the DR.

Having worked on major environmental disasters, I’m acutely aware of the standard operating procedures of NGO’s and how well they rally during periods of extreme chaos. Some NGO’s we funded worked against us to increase their funding from non government sources. We made a whip for our own back.

Haiti is in a major state of decline and is getting worse every new day. A few evangelical organizations continue to spend time in Haiti making feeble attempts to create some sense of order and relief for the local citizens. Other than that, nobody else is interested in committing staff and financial resources. Perhaps the NGO’s are smart enough to recognize the futility and are waiting until the proposed intervention goes ahead. Their assistance and that of the UNHCR will definitely be needed as the intervention progresses, if it progresses.

The intervention continues to be a very complex political chess game. The Kenyans are the pawns.
 
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Apparently, the DR will have a military participation in Haiti.

Did Haiti change its previous rejection of the DR military being there? I remember when the 2010 earthquake happened, the DR military was going to go to Port-au-Prince to help in the search and rescue. The then Haitian president (or prime minister, whatever is called in Haiti) Rene Preval gave a negative to that and even went in the media saying the Dominican military will not be received in Haiti. Soldiers from other militaries such as the UN/Chile/Brazil/etc were accepted though. The Dominican military only went as far as the border and at no time entered Haiti. I also think any Haitian military is allowed in the DR either (even when Haiti’s military was disbanded.)

Things now are different or Haiti will not accept the Dominican military this time either? Even if Haiti is intervened by the UN, Kenya or whatever, the Haitian government is the one that has the final say regarding these things.

 

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The Haitian military isn’t allowed in the DR, not is.
 

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So far a lot of talk and no action as in most politics and diplomacy.

If UN forces ever arrive, they will only make sense in the context of a fighting/ military police force.
A force which actively fights and fires upon gangs.

If UN soldiers are placed as peace keepers, to only return fire when attacked the mission will be useless.
The mandate will have to be to fight criminal gangs/ militias with deadly force.
This will be the only way to restore peace and hopefully a functional government.

A functional democratic Haitian government is a very doubtful dream, going on past history.
So far Haitians have been corrupt sucking money, whether they live in Haiti or are lucky to have foreign residence.
A great example of not caring and incompetence is the former Haitian- Canadian Governor General Michaëlle Jean.

Considering millions/Billions spent on Ukraine, Gaza, Hutis, Niger, Sahel Zone with military governments making money of refugee smuggling
And working with Russia, there will be little money available for Haiti.
 
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