What country will the DR be similar to?

[El Hijo de Manolo]

Jealous?

Quick on the keyboard this morning

 

[Auryn]

Cuba has a very good educational system. Bring en masse the Cubans while the DR’s system is fixed. Afterall, a good education automatically equals first world status. Just look at Cuba for evidence.

That Cuba is not as capitalist as the DR?

Ok, I think most DR1ers would agree that Colombia has a better educated population than the DR. Bring the Colombians, after all Colombia is a first world country because of that.

Why is it that only three countries in Latin America has been closing the gap with developed countries while the rest of the region remains the same or see an increasing gap? Chile, Panama, and the DR are those three countries.

Something isn’t adding up.

Are you suggesting the DR asks another country to fix the failed public education system?

 

[NALs]

Are you suggesting the DR asks another country to fix the failed public education system?

No, rather anyone that thinks a better education is the panacea for a better country should look how much better or worst are other better educated countries with a similar or the same cultural affinities as the DR.

This thinking kind of reminds me of some people who say that if the DR would had been colonized by Britain it would had been a better and wealthier country. While focus in countries like Australia, Canada, the USA, etc gives that impression, in reality countries that were part of the British Empire are considerably poorer than the DR. Even places like Jamaica, which is better than most countries that emerged from the former British Empire and is much closer to the DR than say Canada in terms to how the society functions, the DR itself is better off than them. Lets not even talk about countries like Kenya, Nigeria, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and other countries from the former British Empire that would be more likely for the DR to resemble had it too been colonized by the English, given those are much closer to typical countries that emerged from that empire than say Australia. Countries that emerged from the Spanish Empire are much better than those from the British Empire and, in fact, the DR is better off than those typical countries minus a handful.

 

[aarhus]

No, rather anyone that thinks a better education is the panacea for a better country should look how much better or worst are other better educated countries with a similar or the same cultural affinities as the DR.

This thinking kind of reminds me of some people who say that if the DR would had been colonized by Britain it would had been a better and wealthier country. While focusinf in countries like Australia, Canada, the USA, etc gives that impression, in reality countries that were part of the British Empire are considerably poorer than the DR. Even places like Jamaica, which is better than most countries that emerged from the former British Empire and is much closer to the DR than say Canada in terms to how the society functions, the DR itself is better off than them. Lets not even talk about countries lije Kenya, Nigeria, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and other countries from the former British Empire that would be more likely for the DR to resemble had it too been colonized by the English given those are much closer to typical countries that emerged from that empire than say Australia. Countries that emerged from the Spanish Empire are much better than those from the British Empire and, in fact, the DR is better off than those typical countries minus a handful.

Don’t forget Nals. The DR is halfway colonized by the US and that’s why several of us are seeing the DR going in the direction of becoming similar to Puerto Rico. It means more political stability but makes the economy less diverse. I hope they keep the agricultural industry going and continue to be food self sufficient. The focus on only tourism by this government seems risky but if the Americans supply the rest maybe it’s enough. Regarding Cuba and Colombia. I am not sure you can say their educational systems hasn’t helped them.

 

[KyleMackey]

I continue to say Venezuela. I am thinking of the time before Chavez when people got fed up with corrupt governments and oligarchy. Apart from keeping tourism going and trying to grow that industry I can’t see what else the new government has done. Just like Venezuela couldn’t only depend on oil the DR can’t only depend on tourism.

Could be wrong but I don't any movement for government to confiscate all the private business and industry like what happened in VZ.
Everyone knows that is the end of tourism, regular Dominicans, Politicians, etc. The big difference with the oil biz in VZ is that it was already owned by government.

 

[Nadie21]

No, rather anyone that thinks a better education is the panacea for a better country should look how much better or worst are other better educated countries with a similar or the same cultural affinities as the DR.

This thinking kind of reminds me of some people who say that if the DR would had been colonized by Britain it would had been a better and wealthier country. While focusinf in countries like Australia, Canada, the USA, etc gives that impression, in reality countries that were part of the British Empire are considerably poorer than the DR. Even places like Jamaica, which is better than most countries that emerged from the former British Empire and is much closer to the DR than say Canada in terms to how the society functions, the DR itself is better off than them. Lets not even talk about countries lije Kenya, Nigeria, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and other countries from the former British Empire that would be more likely for the DR to resemble had it too been colonized by the English given those are much closer to typical countries that emerged from that empire than say Australia. Countries that emerged from the Spanish Empire are much better than those from the British Empire and, in fact, the DR is better off than those typical countries minus a handful.

This reads to me like complete “balderdash”. . Many words thrown into your little thesis. So to you DR is better off than most of the rest of the world because it was not part of imperialist British Empire but a part of imperialist Spain. According to you Spain and its colonizations were the panacea for the DR? Whaaat! Your first sentence..”No, rather anyone that thinks a better education…” reads like a broken jigsaw puzzle. Tried to make some sense of this.

 

[malko]

This reads to me like complete “balderdash”. . Many words thrown into your little thesis. So to you DR is better off than most of the rest of the world because it was not part of imperialist British Empire but a part of imperialist Spain. According to you Spain and its colonizations were the panacea for the DR? Whaaat! Your first sentence..”No, rather anyone that thinks a better education…” reads like a broken jigsaw puzzle. Tried to make some sense of this.

Its a kind of pick-and-choose thing. Funny how Jamaica was chosen as an example and not say, Trinidad&Tobago, or Grenada, or St-Lucia, or the British virgin islands, or Turks and Caicos islands, or the Bahamas......

Oh wait, i know, they didnt fit the narrative. 😆😆😆😆

 

[NALs]

This reads to me like complete “balderdash”. . Many words thrown into your little thesis. So to you DR is better off than most of the rest of the world because it was not part of imperialist British Empire but a part of imperialist Spain. According to you Spain and its colonizations were the panacea for the DR? Whaaat! Your first sentence..”No, rather anyone that thinks a better education…” reads like a broken jigsaw puzzle. Tried to make some sense of this.

Have you ever seen the average income of Latin America vs Africa and Asia (minus developed places like Japan)? I will assume you will be shocked to notice that the wealthiest area of the developing world is Latin America. That's including the few "Asisn tigers" like Thailand. Even South Africa is considerably poorer than the DR, despite the image that exist of places like Cape Town and certain suburbs of Johannesburg and other places.

 

[NALs]

Its a kind of pick-and-choose thing. Funny how Jamaica was chosen as an example and not say, Trinidad&Tobago, or Grenada, or St-Lucia, or the British virgin islands, or Turks and Caicos islands, or the Bahamas......

Oh wait, i know, they didnt fit the narrative. 😆😆😆😆

Trinidad & Tobago isn't growing much relative to the DR. Every year the gap is getting smaller and the DR is a bigger reason for that.

Grenada? St Lucia? These places wealthier than the DR? What?

Plus, those places are too small. The entire Lesser Antilles have a smaller population than Greater Santo Domingo. More middle class people live in Santiago than in the British Virgin Islands, and Turks & Caicos combined. For example, Puerto Plata itself has a greater m2 dedicated to say hipermarkets (Sirena, Jumbo, etc) than could ever exist in Providenciales. The types of fortunes that can be created in the DR is almost impossible to do in most of those places. Imagine creating a business like Sirena in St Barts, which right now has sales approaching US$1 billion and the DR isn't fully developed jet. Heck, more people live in the Polígono Central of Santo Domingo than in the entirety of St Barts, which itself fits in a small part of the National District. A similar thing happens with other places such as Saint Martin (ever wonder why the Velutini group created a Blue Mall in St Martin that went belly up after creating the one in SD and before creating another one in PC? Isn't St Martin overall wealthier than the DR? What happened?)

 

[Nadie21]

Have you ever seen the average income of Latin America vs Africa and Asia (minus developed places like Japan)? I will assume you will be shocked to notice that the wealthiest area of the developing world is Latin America. That's including the few "Asisn tigers" like Thailand. Even South Africa is considerably poorer than the DR, despite the image that exist of places like Cape Town and certain suburbs of Johannesburg and other places.

Disagree!

 

[NALs]

Disagree!

Anyone can disagree, but the data is out there regardless of what anyone thinks.

 

[Nadie21]

Trinidad & Tobago isn't growing much relative to the DR. Every year the gap is getting smaller and the DR is a bigger reason for that.

Grenada? St Lucia? These places wealthier than the DR? What? Plus, those places are too small. The entire Lesser Antilles have a smaller population than Greater Santo Domingo. More middle class people live in Santiago than in the British Virgin Islands, and Turks & Caicos combined. For example, Puerto Plata itself has a greater m2 dedicated to say hipermarkets (Sirena, Jumbo, etc) than could ever exist in Providenciales.

Would you Please take off your blinders!

 

[Auryn]

No, rather anyone that thinks a better education is the panacea for a better country should look how much better or worst are other better educated countries with a similar or the same cultural affinities as the DR.

This thinking kind of reminds me of some people who say that if the DR would had been colonized by Britain it would had been a better and wealthier country. While focus in countries like Australia, Canada, the USA, etc gives that impression, in reality countries that were part of the British Empire are considerably poorer than the DR. Even places like Jamaica, which is better than most countries that emerged from the former British Empire and is much closer to the DR than say Canada in terms to how the society functions, the DR itself is better off than them. Lets not even talk about countries like Kenya, Nigeria, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and other countries from the former British Empire that would be more likely for the DR to resemble had it too been colonized by the English, given those are much closer to typical countries that emerged from that empire than say Australia. Countries that emerged from the Spanish Empire are much better than those from the British Empire and, in fact, the DR is better off than those typical countries minus a handful.

Interesting tangent with the whole British empire mention.

I’m glad I missed most of this today and others had the opportunity to chime in. I have only read through your post quoted above, however, and none of the others. My response is only to your post quoted above.

Are you then suggesting that the Dominican public education system, as it currently stands, is fine as is?

Furthermore, are you suggesting through your numerous (but not cited) comparisons that no improvement is necessary? Because after all, the DR is “better” than all of the countries you mention?

 

[aarhus]

Interesting tangent with the whole British empire mention.

I’m glad I missed most of this today and others had the opportunity to chime in. I have only read through your post quoted above, however, and none of the others. My response is only to your post quoted above.

Are you then suggesting that the Dominican public education system, as it currently stands, is fine as is?

Furthermore, are you suggesting through your numerous (but not cited) comparisons that no improvement is necessary? Because after all, the DR is “better” than all of the countries you mention?

Or he is saying the most important parameter of all is money.

 

[Auryn]

Anyone can disagree, but the data is out there regardless of what anyone thinks.

Real, measured, trustworthy data is difficult to find without doing proper research.

I can find any data I want to prove nearly any point I can possibly dream up, which is becoming increasingly problematic in this day and age.

I for one would be interested in looking closer at the “data out there” and the sources it comes from.

 

[CristoRey]

Estonia learned from the Finns, with whom they are linguistically related. I have been there twice, very nice people. https://www.bbc.com/news/education-50590581

Estonians are wired differently.
They're nothing like these folks.

 

[NALs]

Interesting tangent with the whole British empire mention.

I’m glad I missed most of this today and others had the opportunity to chime in. I have only read through your post quoted above, however, and none of the others. My response is only to your post quoted above.

Are you then suggesting that the Dominican public education system, as it currently stands, is fine as is?

Furthermore, are you suggesting through your numerous (but not cited) comparisons that no improvement is necessary? Because after all, the DR is “better” than all of the countries you mention?

Simply not to expect the DR to change much given that in many cases other countries similar to the DR and with a better education system are worse thsn the DR and in other cases not much better.

This parts are from the 2 volumes book (the appendix) published by Moreau de Saint Mery over 200 years ago precisely describing every aspect of what is now the DR. Notice how the ancestors of most Dominicans (since then much has happened with different population growth of each type and the continuing relaxed attitude towards mixing plus immigration) are described. I'm sure you'll notice the education part.

 

[aarhus]

The conclusion must be the DR doesn’t need an educational system because they are good at so many other things.

 

[NALs]

Or he is saying the most important parameter of all is money.

Dominicnans love money just about more than anything else. This is why certain things like Dominican corruption is the way it is.

That is actually one of the reasons something like socialism would never be fully accepted in the DR. One that was involved in attempting to instill a communist revolution back in the 1960's and 1970's has said on multiple occasions that she would go into Dominican barrios and campos to tell the poor of the concept of communism and the poor hardly gave the communists any attention.

 

[aarhus]

Dominicnans love money just about more than anything else. This is why certain things like Dominican corruption is the way it is.

That is actually one of the reasons something like socialism would never be fully accepted in the DR. One that was involved in attempting to instill a communist revolution back in the 1960's and 1970's has said on multiple occasions that she would go into Dominican barrios and campos to tell the poor of the concept of communism and the poor hardly gave the communists any attention.

Well I hope they will be able to continue being productive and competitive so they can make the money they want and need. It’s probably the same in Haiti don’t you think ?