Rule of Law or Rule of the person-which is more important?

[Chris]

It's just too bad that you aren't WOman enough to admit that you made a tempest out of a teapot.

1. See, I don't believe I did. Again, go look at the first post that I talked about this. In post 11, I bold "responsible sovereign individual" .. it really stood apart from the words man or men you know. Gently did I go about this!

Then, the next few posts continued on talking about men, man - no mankind, no responsible sovereign individual .. just men and man. Example and I'm not blowing up the flames again ..
...
2. "I always figured "laws" were the rules for how reasonable men and unreasonable men were to interact. If all men were reasonable, we wouldn't need them, would we?"

This use of exclusively male language continued in further posts.... By now I was suspecting that the poster wanted it this way...

Then I went a tad further and hoped I'll make the point by simply bolding, screetching and using acceptable language myself ...

3. "Even reasonable 'men' (aaargh!) may create a set of rules for societies to live by. This is what the law is supposed to be, a reasonable set of rules for people/mankind/men and women to live by.

(Disclaimer, the bolding is not because I am politically correct. It is because I am not men, I am women and by definition, the poster excluded me and my type from his discussion. That is kinda rude. I don't know if this is deliberate or whether he is simply quoting from a set of literature that was written in the style but I thought to let the poster know that that is rude and not something that we want to encourage here.)"

Three times I was reasonable, low key and gentle. The third time I explained with lots of space for the other person to retract or explain .. Is he quoting? This is kinda rude .. I thought to let the poster know ...

Even you 'got it' Bob .. and said something about it ...

I was clear to you as well: "If a moderator starts complaining about usage of words, it does mean that there are a few pm's in the box already. So, I ask you and all of man-kind, to stick to acceptable language."

4. And then a 4th time I was reasonable ... Note my words ... It is a request ... note I'm saying "I ask you... "

This was four attempts from me, using reasonable non-violent language. Unfortunately the AhHa moment never arrived for cb. What arrived on my doorstep was needless attacks and 'looking for support' that looked insane to me and accusations about why I was doing what I was doing, that looked mad to me. You fellows need to know by know that I talk for myself and stand by my words and never go out looking for 'shills' that will support me.

Then from that point onwards, I reacted to what I received which looked completely out of proportion to my first four gentle (for me) and reasonable attempts to handle this business and get people to be aware. I don't like that language you know. Millions of other women can like it and want to be a man, I still don't like it as I have a good idea of what went into the process of liberation for women. That process needs respect even if other women are perhaps unaware of it, or perhaps have no reason or willingness to respect it. I have seen enough demeaning, base and sub-human treatment of people in my life and will speak out if I encounter it.

As far as cb is concerned, I really cannot understand that anyone that grew up in a liberated household can use this language. It is not consistent with my experience that someone can be so completely unaware of his language. I find sexist language equally as destructive as racist language. And again, other women have been talking about this for a period of time and there still is an ongoing off-line conversation about this use of language. I chose to react to it in this thread. There are two parts to this board .. the online one and the offline one and these are both good!

However, if it will make anyone feel better to get some kind of 'apology' out of me, I apologize that I bored you all with my radical insistence on appropriate gender language. I found this absolutely necessary especially in a thread that addresses the Rule of Law vs Rights of Individuals. I preferably want to talk about legal and individual rights for mankind, rather than for man, as I feel quite left out of the man thing. I promise to continue with seeking fairness, appropriate language and gracious actions for myself and others around me, to the very best of my ability. I am really sorry if my sense of humor sometimes interferes greatly with these high falutin' objectives. And if you want me to be a man, sorry, cannot oblige, I'm built differently which is an excellent and joyful thing.

Just a final note .. Perhaps not everyone is quite up on modern feminism and that is not a problem, but the movement these days is more about integrating and rediscovering those qualities that we perforce had to lose during the struggle, i.e., the feminine, or the sacred feminine, than trying to be men or better than men, or even competing with men. That stuff all belongs to a worn out past. Liberated women are re-integrating femininity without losing the right to be enfranchised human beings - this is the group that I fit in. Loosely as far as I can see, there are two other groupings with their own sense of things - 2nd wave and post feminism. The young women are still actively working towards a true liberation although the objectives have changed as life changes.

 

[Rocky]

That's it.
I am now convinced.
It's a severe case of contagious Nalsitis.
It appears to be way to grave to combat with simple antibiotics (Nalsibiotico) and will likely require that the whole bunch of you who have made posts with over ten paragraphs, to schedule surgery, (for a Nalsectomy) ASAP.
Anyone who refuses to cooperate, will be given a Nalstration by force, (Your voice may elevate 2 octaves, after said surgical proceedure)

 

[Chris]

Oh heavens .. this one is going into the books .. contagious Nalsitis curable by Nalsectomy or Nalstration.... ROTFLMAO
Rocky you're brilliant and I apologize for being alive!

 

[Malibook]

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This is my last communication on this issue as it is now truly enough and way out of bounds for this forum.

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I've moved on a number of posts ago BushBaby.

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Just a final note ..

Keep digging.

 

[Chris]

Keep digging.

What? and risk a Nalsectomy! No Way!

 

[A.Hidalgo]

After all this man oh man am I exhausted...... ooppss woman oh woman am I exhausted:tired:

 

[bob saunders]

Still digging and poking

Even you 'got it' Bob .. and said something about it ...

This is the kind of snide remark that indicates you haven't moved and are still in flame mode. Even you, Christa, realized from the beginning the the use of the word man was the generic mankind, accepted use throughout, still currently vogue regard of what Chiri says. I've worked for, with, and had work for me many women for the past 30 years and I, like most have seen a large evolution in PC behavior and language during that time. Most has been positive and I have no problem with making general language asexual when refering to the human race, but if you where in the place of CB and were refering to her, she, woman the context of the sentence/conversation would dictate whether you were refering to the whole human race or just the female gender. I think you are just that kind of pigheaded stuborn person(non gender trait) that has to get in the last dig.

 

[MommC]

I also refuse to be sucked into the big dig......

however I will state that throughout my career I was always

"the feminine, or the sacred feminine, not trying to be men or better than men, or even competing with men, "[unquote] -just trying to do the best job I could.

I insisted on being treated no differently than my male counterparts and enforced it by not doing business with males who tried to treat me in a condescending manner or as a 'less than equal' partner. Their loss, not mine - my business was and still is successful ! (I did have a few VERY good laughs at their expense though!)

"I (also)have a good idea of what went into the process of liberation for women. That process needs respect even if other women are perhaps unaware of it, or perhaps have no reason or willingness to respect it."[Unquote]

While I may respect that process I would suggest that the only ones keeping women un-liberated are women themselves!

"I have seen enough demeaning, base and sub-human treatment of people in my life and will speak out if I encounter it. " As I was taught by my mother and father to do! I also refuse to allow myself to be demeaned, or treated basely or sub-humanly.

(Disclaimer, the bolding is not because I am politically correct. It is because I am not men, I am women and by definition, the poster excluded me and my type from his discussion.[Unquote]

Please re-read the definition of women, the poster did not exclude you, he just wasn't using

gender specific,politically correct, acceptable (to you) language.[unquote]

And if you want me to be a man, sorry, cannot oblige, I'm built differently which is an excellent and joyful thing.[Unquote]

So again I ask you to clarify, by the very definition of man, if you are not one what mammal species do you belong to? Pay attention -we're talking species, NOT gender,just as the poster you took exception to was taking species and not gender.

As Malibrook and Bobsaunders have said, keep digging - your sensitivites are showing.:bunny:

 

[Lambada]

Just a final note .. Perhaps not everyone is quite up on modern feminism and that is not a problem, but the movement these days is more about integrating and rediscovering those qualities that we perforce had to lose during the struggle,

Funnily enough modern feminism includes just about everyone & every school of thought; it is essentially an all-inclusive paradigm (gonna make this DR related it it's the last thing I do :cheeky. This is why I didn't jump at MommC for 'wanting to be a man' a) because it would have been intellectually unsound (even if I disagree with some of her reasoning) & b) it would have been emotionally non-congruent with what the movement is about. I would agree that the movement is about integrating but not only integrating what we lost in the struggle.

Loosely as far as I can see, there are two other groupings with their own sense of things - 2nd wave and post feminism. .

There is also third-wave feminism..........probably by next week fou.....I jest.

Very broadly where we're at today is a) facilitating sisters in countries where oppression is enshrined in either religious codes or the rule of law of that country (yes, THE topic )
b) the 'women are people' movement i.e. theories which separate the sexes at the expense of uniting them are deemed sexist e.g. Professor Nadine Strossen's work
c)sex-radical feminism (the reaction to the anti-pornography group)
d)post-structural feminism (the people who concentrate on race and class isues)

Where I think we're at today is inclusiveness, facilitation, enabling etc etc - i.e. a kinder gentler less strident less over-reactive feminism than the movement I was proud to be a mini-mover if not shaker in 45 years ago. The real heroine in my family was Bridget Nunn, my grandmother, whose husband died in World War I at the Battle of the Somme. Upon receiving British governmental prevarication in the provision of her War Widows pension she chained herself and her three children (one of whom was my mother) to the railings of the War Office in Whitehall, London and stayed there until she received her pension. That was 91 years ago. Her activism seems to have done her no harm since she lived to the ripe old age of 99 and a half. So there are good grounds in my family for believing that the personal is political and vice versa.

 

[Rocky]

however I will state that throughout my career I was always "the feminine, or the sacred feminine, not trying to be men or better than men, or even competing with men, "[unquote] -just trying to do the best job I could.

I insisted on being treated no differently than my male counterparts and enforced it by not doing business with males who tried to treat me in a condescending manner or as a 'less than equal' partner. Their loss, not mine - my business was and still is successful ! (I did have a few VERY good laughs at their expense though!)

"I (also)have a good idea of what went into the process of liberation for women. That process needs respect even if other women are perhaps unaware of it, or perhaps have no reason or willingness to respect it."[Unquote]

While I may respect that process I would suggest that the only ones keeping women un-liberated are women themselves!

"I have seen enough demeaning, base and sub-human treatment of people in my life and will speak out if I encounter it. " As I was taught by my mother and father to do! I also refuse to allow myself to be demeaned, or treated basely or sub-humanly.

(Disclaimer, the bolding is not because I am politically correct. It is because I am not men, I am women and by definition, the poster excluded me and my type from his discussion.

Please re-read the definition of women, the poster did not exclude you, he just wasn't using gender specific,politically correct, acceptable (to you) language.

And if you want me to be a man, sorry, cannot oblige, I'm built differently which is an excellent and joyful thing.

So again I ask you to clarify, by the very definition of man, if you are not one what mammal species do you belong to? Pay attention -we're talking species, NOT gender,just as the poster you took exception to was taking species and not gender.

As Malibrook and Bobsaunders have said, keep digging - your sensitivites are showing.:bunny:

Even after editing, that's a perfect 10 paragraphs.
How would Tueday afternoon at 2 PM suit you for your Nalsectomy?

 

[Lambada]

Even after editing, that's a perfect 10 paragraphs.
How would Tueday afternoon at 2 PM suit you for your Nalsectomy?

I hearby announce that if I get to 10 paras I would prefer an aposoctomy or a miradectomy...........:cheeky:

 

[Rocky]

I hearby announce that if I get to 10 paras I would prefer an aposoctomy or a miradectomy...........:cheeky:

Aposocctomies are exclusively for people who can't stop saying,
APoTabien.

This is a much more serious condition that one might think, as it used to be thought of a speech disorder, when in fact it is a brain disorder, caused by excessive frontal lobe activity, causing a constant sate of Euphoria, thus the constant symptom, "a po tabien, a po tabien".

Miradectomies are for people with a certain special emotional condition.
Mira, mira, they say repeatedly, in dire need of attention.
It is believed to have very deep childhood roots and is most common in males.

There is no substantiated proof, but the general consensus is that it is learned in the pre-speech stages of childhood, while the parents changes the young baby boy's diapers, and he chooses that very moment to launch a high pressure stream of pee. right into the diaper changing victim's face, who then goes into a frenzy of "mira, mira, co?o" etc.

The child quickly learns to associate those words with getting a person's undivided attention, much like the Pavlov's dog experiments, where the dog is taught to associate eating with the ringing of a bell.

Any similarities between the names of the above mentioned diseases or mental disorders, and the names of any of our precious DR1 members, is purely coincidental.

I must sign off, as I am getting dangerously close to ten paragraphs, and I would hate to have a Nalsectomy, much less be Nalstrated.

 

[MommC]

Definitions please......

I hearby announce that if I get to 10 paras I would prefer an aposoctomy or a miradectomy...........:cheeky:

and please do indicate from which source, compiled by which genders.....


2 pm is a little tardy however I do believe someone else is scheduled for a comprehension lambadotomy before me so could we reschedule for Weds. AM?

 

[Malibook]

I think that Chris is technically and grammatically correct but I also believe that Cobraboy had no ill intent and deserves some slack and the benefit of any doubt.

I have no idea what Mommc is going on about.
She claims to be just playing Devil's advocate but her posts do not seem to indicate this.

Obviously there is some history in play here and the posts in this thread are not simply reflective of the contents here.

"Keep digging" referred to a symbolic hole one digs, not shots taken at others.

What was the topic of this thread?:ermm:

 

[Rocky]

I think that Chris is technically and grammatically correct but I also believe that Cobraboy had no ill intent and deserves some slack and the benefit of any doubt.

I have no idea what Mommc is going on about.
She claims to be just playing Devil's advocate but her posts do not seem to indicate this.

Obviously there is some history in play here and the posts in this thread are not simply reflective of the contents here.

"Keep digging" referred to a symbolic hole one digs, not shots taken at others.

What was the topic of this thread?:ermm:

A notable post, both for content and for being your 1111th post.

 

[johne]

What was the topic of this thread?:ermm:

I'm very concerned about this question. I am the OP and I can't remember!In fact, I think I should be scheduled in for one or more of the aforementioned operations.Are they cheaper in the DR?

Hey, can anyone recommend a good AI while I'm there for the operation? How about a cave visit? Plastic surgery? Salsa lessons? Visit a cigar factory? Get a divorce?

Happy Freaky Friday-Let's go for a clean start on a brand new day.Put your guns (AKA dictionarys) away and chill if even for a few hours.

JOHN

 

[John Evans]

whos moderating this thread - its gone way off topic

 

[A.Hidalgo]

whos moderating this thread - its gone way off topic

That's one big understatement.

 

[cobraboy]

Since women couldn't even vote back then, I fail to see how this supports your position.:cheeky:

Not my point.

I was showing how the word "man/men" has been used for many years in a universal, collective manner. Even by Lincoln, one of the great American historic figures.

 

[johne]

Up and at 'em guys...

My post 5:39 am
CB post 7:10 am

"...and the beat goes on..."

Is there ANY friggen way we can drop the man, span, cram, dam
and return to the OP??

What's next a cute poem?