Given the global trends toward Balkanization and tribalism, Mountainannie is probably right. The global superpowers seem to accept mass deaths in third world countries as the new normal. We'll probably see Haiti join Louisiana and Florida join the DR before we see confederation on Hispaniola.
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Given the global trends toward Balkanization and tribalism, Mountainannie is probably right. The global superpowers seem to accept mass deaths in third world countries as the new normal. We'll probably see Haiti join Louisiana and Florida join the DR before we see confederation on Hispaniola.
Pedro, unlike 99% of Haitians 100% of Dominicans can travel to other countries without a yola trip or under the wheel of an airplane's cove.
Why the rash migration rush of Dominicans to the US and PR? Most deal with family ties, friends already there; the get rich/drug factor and a minority seeking quick ways to fund buying a better living back in the DR. Haitians migrate because of a total state failure!
A well know fact is that countries like Israel/Japan and others that keep the same openness to Haitians without the need of a Visa to travel there, restrict their entry at arrival using financial means of proof and solvency to enter their country. Something I have yet to see happen to me in Japan or Israel each time I visit.
Why you think that given the economic downturn in EU, USA and PR, many illegal Dominicans are returning home with even "cartas de ruta"???? That tells you how bad they want to be in the DR, than be there and miserable too!
Before you go about telling, go find the migration rate for Dominicans and then compare to Haiti!
Pride? Haitians until the quake living in the US and other nations hid their nationality for the most part. You could see that in how few place the Haitian links in their biz, like restaurant. beauty parlors, etc... Most just place a "Caribbean" linkage or Jamaican colors for identification. I came across so many Haitians in the US and region that when asked where they came from (even when I knew them to be Haitian), they answered "from the Island" by large. Going to lengths to avoid saying "Haiti" at all costs.
Pride? Love for their country? How many Haitian families living abroad ever returned to retire back in Haiti?!?!? A good 95% of those that "tried" to return to Haiti itself moved to the DR for good, soon after reality kicked in on why the left it in the first place!
Just like those born to Dominican parents in NY, dotting the Dominican Day parade with their DR bandanas and flags all over the place, clamoring their love for the DR. They're nothing more than American born kids, which would not stay living in the DR as we know it today. Pride is when you're born in the DR and live elsewhere in the world, yet at the first request of your nationality your face lights up and a smile comes over your mouth as you say DOMINICANO! No "Caribbean", "Island" or "gimmick" but "DOMINICAN"...
Why the rash migration rush of Dominicans to the US and PR? Most deal with family ties, friends already there; the get rich/drug factor and a minority seeking quick ways to fund buying a better living back in the DR. Haitians migrate because of a total state failure!
A well know fact is that countries like Israel/Japan and others that keep the same openness to Haitians without the need of a Visa to travel there, restrict their entry at arrival using financial means of proof and solvency to enter their country. Something I have yet to see happen to me in Japan or Israel each time I visit.
Why you think that given the economic downturn in EU, USA and PR, many illegal Dominicans are returning home with even "cartas de ruta"???? That tells you how bad they want to be in the DR, than be there and miserable too!
Before you go about telling, go find the migration rate for Dominicans and then compare to Haiti!
Pride? Haitians until the quake living in the US and other nations hid their nationality for the most part. You could see that in how few place the Haitian links in their biz, like restaurant. beauty parlors, etc... Most just place a "Caribbean" linkage or Jamaican colors for identification. I came across so many Haitians in the US and region that when asked where they came from (even when I knew them to be Haitian), they answered "from the Island" by large. Going to lengths to avoid saying "Haiti" at all costs.
Pride? Love for their country? How many Haitian families living abroad ever returned to retire back in Haiti?!?!? A good 95% of those that "tried" to return to Haiti itself moved to the DR for good, soon after reality kicked in on why the left it in the first place!
Just like those born to Dominican parents in NY, dotting the Dominican Day parade with their DR bandanas and flags all over the place, clamoring their love for the DR. They're nothing more than American born kids, which would not stay living in the DR as we know it today. Pride is when you're born in the DR and live elsewhere in the world, yet at the first request of your nationality your face lights up and a smile comes over your mouth as you say DOMINICANO! No "Caribbean", "Island" or "gimmick" but "DOMINICAN"...
Pichardo you are the perfect example of how prejudice can be so deeply rooted. It is sad.
FYI, I know Haitians both in France and NYC and never have heard them saying he was not from Haiti, on the contrary. I am sure Haitians love their country as much as everyone else.
Because you hate them, doesn't mean, they hate themselves.
FYI, I know Haitians both in France and NYC and never have heard them saying he was not from Haiti, on the contrary. I am sure Haitians love their country as much as everyone else.
Because you hate them, doesn't mean, they hate themselves.
Borrowed? From whom and where if you could please explain?
Arrogance? Ignorance? We didn't "win" our independence from Haiti; we "restored" our self authority over the DR from Haiti.
The real independence of the DR came on 1821 from Spain; we agreed to "join" Haiti under their authority, due to fears of falling back into the colonial powers.
We "kicked" their authority from the seat of SD and made sure to never allow them to return there, try as they did multiple times.
Arrogance? Ignorance? Where do you see available resources in the Haiti of today, in order to keep sustaining the sure to continue population growth there?
If you think Haiti is a mess now, wait till the population reaches critical mass and the resources are depleted beyond recovery point! That's where we're headed with what exists there today and pretty much for the foreseeable future. That's why I say that each nation should take in their quota of Haitians, as the DR is doing historically. That there's not Haiti in paper, is pretty much not any different from what's there today.
Haitians will continue to exist as a culture, ethno, but all over the world. Enriching each civilization with their history and background.
If something we have learned well from history, is that nations disappear every other era/timeline, but the culture disperses and transcends time and borders to keep the people that once where alive and well within others.
I once held federalization for the island as probable and the best way, but today I'm not longer of that idea. For Haitians to survive as a culture/world heritage, that failed country must be made away with and the people allowed flourishing under the optimal conditions of nourishment.
Remove the people and brand the territory a protected world patrimony. Until it recovers from the worst humans can do to their habitat and those descendants, then can visit and see the beauty of a land Haiti ounce was.
They must have known that you are Dominican, Picardo. They must have been afraid that you would start calling them "ugly"
You need to do some sort of "antihaitianismo" cleansing
You are the perfect example of someone blinded by their own ideas, that can't see beyond the facts and lack of knowledge on certain issues you're foreign to.
I hate Haitians? LOL!!! My Haitian friends will have a blast with that one! LOL!
It so happens that most of what I said here was from their lips and not mine!
They HATE that part from their own people and the need for them to identify with anything other than Haitian, in order to separate themselves from the misery in Haiti.
This post I placed here has been debated for long in our meetings. They all share the same sentiments, since we all see the writing in the wall for what Haiti is being "prepared" for.
If the world really wanted to build a Haiti since the quake hit, it would have been long underway as of now. All they're interested on is to know and claim which of them will control what part and the benefits to come later as the country fully collapses beyond salvation (or so to show their own citizens that they tried, but the only way is to take it over for good).
Haiti is being primed for an international take-over/partitioning sure to come...
The DR knows it and even Fernandez dared to call their game on the public forum... They'll prop the DR's standing and state as much as they can, before the inevitable comes around. That's much worst and soul draining to Haitians than what I proposed...
The plan calls for the DR to become the handler for Haiti, intermixed so much via international approval that one day it will be hard to tell where one begins and the other ends. They all want to profit under an already established biz game, where the rules are in place and all that's needed is a roll of the dice...
The foreign entities are providing "natural disaster" funds and facilities for the DR, soon even equipment and know how to as well will be offered without previous requests.
Watch and learn a political hostile takeover of Haiti, under the guise of humanitarian/public assistance by the players that be.
What's in the bag for the DR? For one foreign debt pardoning! Billions!
Next is the complete stop from all the foreign interest/humanitarian/social groups that brand the DR a racist/discriminatory nation against Haitians.
Then you'll have the billions pouring in, to back development of the former Haitian coasts into resorts. All done in a for profit formula...
They figure that they can fund housing in the DR's border provinces for the massive Haitian homelessness, since that will guaranteed them cheap available local labor for their projects in those areas.
They don't want Haitians to resettle in Port-au-Prince proper, as they have plans to build a tourist/casino/resorts mecca in that area.
All you'll see from the recovery plans for Haiti now and on later stages, is how they seek to remove the people from the main cities and into other areas away from the coasts...
Pay attention and learn something...
Picardo - I would be so much more inclined to believe you if I knew who you were and what your sources are. Would you care to come out from behind your handle and identify yourself? Small facts - a short CV-- your real name-- your contacts within the "halls of power" --
otherwise - really -- it is just more blah blah blah
or wishful thinking?
otherwise - really -- it is just more blah blah blah
or wishful thinking?
That was a good attempt, I must admit!!!
If you wish to be taken seriously, that is.
But perhaps indeed you are simply a ficticious character.
Whether true or not, that is really interesting, and not too far fetched from my General In Charge solution...
Yes I'm a simple character! Down to Earth and floored in reality (DR and around as well).
Nice try! Again... :ninja:
http://www.dr1.com/forums/general-stuff/29727-dominican-16-years-away-home-4.html
found it
nothing is lost on the Internet
Love it - 100% of Dominicans can travel blah....
No they cannot!
You are one of the lucky ones - you have a visa.
MOST Dominicans would love a visa and the cash to get off the island.
Your history is flawed.
You make me laugh though, so do carry on getting angry at the mean Gringos.
I love to read it.
No they cannot!
You are one of the lucky ones - you have a visa.
MOST Dominicans would love a visa and the cash to get off the island.
Your history is flawed.
You make me laugh though, so do carry on getting angry at the mean Gringos.
I love to read it.
WOOOOW, all this time, I thought Pichardo was a well-to-do Dominican working for the DR government :cheeky:
Thanks Annie
Wow, a prolific writer right from the get-go.... quite a read. Good find Annie!
AE
Actually that's how I came to be a member of DR1! Those early posts belonged to my dear nephew (my sister's kid), who was not a fool to use his real name and used his buddy-like uncle's name.
Needless to say, if you scan some more the old files, you'll find where I was made aware of his "work" and took over the account as punishment (but in reality I was very enchanted with DR1). I provided not once but several times about that!
Sometimes you must dig deeper to hit the jackpot!! LOL!!!
He's only error was to use my computer while on a visit and not cleaning up the browser history! We old farts also know a thing or two about computers as well!
There's no mystery about me, since I have no skeletons on my closet!
I live in Villa Olga, Santiago since I was conceived!! Have lived in the USA, Japan, Canada, UK, etc... Mainly due to work (now that's classified! :bunny: ).
A picture of my younger self in found here on the DR mugshots!
The plot thickens!
:cheeky: