Interested in OZEMPIC?

aarhus

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Just my opinion but i think it would be better to wait a year when more is known about negative/positive results.
Ozempic was primarily a diabetics drug. Loosing weight was I think a side effect they saw from it. Wegovy I think was developed more for weight loss. It is from Danish company Novo Nordisk. Not sure it is something to be proud of. I liked them before. Now it’s too much. It’s now Europes most valuable company and has more real estate developments than the government. A bit scary.
 

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Just my opinion but i think it would be better to wait a year when more is known about negative/positive results.

Do you think it was not tested for a long time before it became available?
 

aarhus

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Depends on the definition of "a long time". My definition would be a decade or so for something like this and will continue with diet and exercise until then.
I have read a side effect is stomach acid. Acid reflux. I have that already and don’t need more lol. I am fortunate not to have diabetes. Not even close.
 

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I don’t see a reason to take it if not a diabetic patient. It’s outrageous how it has developed into people taking it to loose weight. Maybe for extreme obesity. More important than loosing weight is exercising for the heart.
 
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So I have high blood sugar and my doctor prescribed Glisulin,a pill I take twice a day. I asked him about Ozempic, and he did not know about it. ( he is the director of the public hospital in Jamao., I would guess his political party got him the position not his knowledge, although he is a dear man.)

He said I can try Ozempic. I went to the pharmacy and asked about it. One dose - which I would take once a week- costs either $200 or $300 USD depending on the pharmacy.

That cost per month puts it out of the ballpark for me. I do have good insurance which would cover it, but every year my insurance is increasing substantially and I worry that the moment I use it for prescription drugs it will increase even more.

Thus, I said no thank you to the pharmacy and will stick to what I am currently using.
 
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So I have high blood sugar and my doctor prescribed Glisulin,a pill I take twice a day. I asked him about Ozempic, and he did not know about it. ( he is the director of the public hospital in Jamao., I would guess his political party got him the position not his knowledge, although he is a dear man.)

He said I can try Ozempic. I went to the pharmacy and asked about it. One dose - which I would take once a week- costs either $200 or $300 USD depending on the pharmacy.

That cost per month puts it out of the ballpark for me. I do have good insurance which would cover it, but every year my insurance is increasing substantially and I worry that the moment I use it for prescription drugs it will increase even more.

Thus, I said no thank you to the pharmacy and will stick to what I am currently using.

That cost is for one injection pen that has 4 once weekly doses in it.

I still have 2 doses left in my refrigerator. (I did .5mg injections)

I wanted to try it, but decided to wait until something better comes along.

Still, I may use the two remaining doses over 4 weeks.

As an aside, the pens sold here are for .25 or .5 doses. Whenever I watch Ozempic commercials on the TV, the fine print at the bottom details the weight loss for 1, 2, and 4mg doses.
 
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Imagine. Medicare part d already spent more thsn 2 billion on the drug in 2021.
i think intense lobbying in the usa will promote more adoption.
I think it is a huge stock market bet , which will make people alot of money.
The possible negative effects on people's health , and budget are a secondary importance.


Ozempic will likely be eligible for negotiations by the time the next round of drugs is selected in 2025, for price changes that will go into effect in 2027.
Several analysts expect the weekly injection to be a top choice because Medicare Part D already spent more than $2 billion on the drug in 2021 — an amount close to some of the medicines chosen for price talks this week. Total Part D spending in 2021 was $98 billion.
They assume that Medicare will spend a great deal on Ozempic in the coming years, given the fervent demand for the drug and similar treatments that can help patients shed unwanted pounds.
“Ozempic is going to be the biggest one that people are going to watch really closely in the second round of negotiations,” Cantor Fitzgerald analyst Louise Chen told CNBC.
Novo Nordisk’s Rybelsus, a diabetes drug taken orally, could also be on the list because it contains the same active ingredient as Ozempic. Most Part D plans cover both for patients with Type 2 diabetes, but do not cover the drugs for off-label uses such as weight loss.

Meanwhile, Novo Nordisk’s obesity injection Wegovy, which uses that same ingredient, likely won’t be targeted for negotiations in the near term because Medicare doesn’t cover weight loss drugs.
A spokesperson for Novo Nordisk didn’t directly comment on the potential for Ozempic to be included in the next round of talks. The spokesperson said the company “supports policies to ensure patients can afford their medicines,” but criticized the negotiation process, which is conducted by the federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, or CMS.
“Unfortunately, we have seen CMS take aggressive steps to carry out unilateral price setting without consideration for the impact on patients living with chronic disease or the overall healthcare system,” the spokesperson said.
Ozempic, Wegovy and Rybelsus are part of a class of drugs called GLP-1s, which mimic a hormone produced in the gut to suppress a person’s appetite.
Wegovy and Ozempic sparked a weight loss industry gold rush last year, with high-profile names such as billionaire tech mogul Elon Musk among recent users. But the injections are costly, as prices range from around $900 to more than $1,300 per month.
Medicare and private insurers typically secure discounts and rebates on the drugs they cover, but it’s unclear how large they are.

Why Ozempic wasn’t eligible this year​

The Medicare program spent $2.6 billion on Ozempic in 2021, according to AARP research. Based on that number, AARP said Ozempic was the 10th costliest drug covered by Medicare Part D.
But Ozempic was excluded in the first round of negotiations due to the federal government’s guidelines for selection.
The guidelines require drugs to have been on the market for at least seven years after their initial approval or licensing in the U.S., as of the date that the Biden administration publishes the list of products selected.
The Food and Drug Administration approved Ozempic for diabetes in December 2017, making it ineligible for the initial round of drugs unveiled this week. But Ozempic will likely be eligible for the next list of medications, which will be published in February 2025, Evercore ISI analyst Umer Raffat said in a research note.
“This means Novo’s Ozempic (along with Rybelsus) could be on next year’s list,” he wrote.
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Several analysts agree, citing the amount Medicare spent on Ozempic in 2021. That places the drug at the very top of prediction lists for the second round of negotiations.
Slashing the price of Ozempic through negotiations could lead to significant savings for the Medicare program.
Medicare would save an estimated $1.3 billion if the price of Ozempic was reduced by 40%, according to research from Leerink Partners analyst David Risinger. Meanwhile, the program would save only around $342 million if Rybelsus was cut by the same amount.
It’s unclear how much patients pay out of pocket for Ozempic, which has a list price of $936 per month in the U.S. But a lower negotiated price of Ozempic will likely benefit the roughly 28% of Medicare beneficiaries who have diabetes.

Wegovy fate is uncertain​

There’s still a chance that negotiations could affect Wegovy, particularly if Medicare decides to start covering the injection and other weight loss treatments before the second round.
Analysts from Citigroup, in a note last week, said that’s likely because recent research demonstrated Wegovy’s heart health benefits.

Weight loss drugs are being assessed for their ability to treat conditions like dementia and addiction after a landmark study showed that Wegovy helped reduce the risk of heart attacks and strokes.
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Earlier this month, Novo Nordisk released late-stage trial data showing that Wegovy slashed the risk of serious heart-related problems such as heart attacks or strokes by 20%.
The results suggest Wegovy has significant health benefits beyond helping patients lose weight, which could potentially lead to expanded use of the drug and increased coverage by insurers.
Other analysts say that savings from the first round of drugs could help pave the way for Medicare to cover Wegovy.
Four of the 10 drugs selected for negotiations cost Medicare more than $17 billion a year before any discounts or rebates. Lowering prices for those drugs could potentially “free up” Medicare’s budget and make it easier for the program to cover popular GLP-1s like Wegovy, according to a note from Wells Fargo analyst Mohit Bansal.


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Recently seen two old work friends for yrs they both where way over weight one female one male both type two Diabetics taking two metformin pills a days .fast forward to today both have lost at least 100lbs look and feel great and off metformin….both where using 4mg pens which lasted 2months by counting clicks for .50mg does a week 8:weeks ended up costing 1/2 price get more info later for those interested so in Canada instead of costing them $225 cost them $112.50… aI find it Crazy how much drugs are cheaper in Canada then US $850 us a month (patent drugs in Canada is set price by government) plus there is ban of Ozempic sold out of country… so no right on gouging prices..
 

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That cost is for one injection pen that has 4 once weekly doses in it.

I still have 2 doses left in my refrigerator. (I did .5mg injections)

I wanted to try it, but decided to wait until something better comes along.

Still, I may use the two remaining doses over 4 weeks.

As an aside, the pens sold here are for .25 or .5 doses. Whenever I watch Ozempic commercials on the TV, the fine print at the bottom details the weight loss for 1, 2, and 4mg doses.
They always start you on small doses 1st month then move you to you therapeutic mg.. doing more research thinking about it hate metformin makes me tired , wife always knows by mood if forgot to take pill.
 
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I just want to tell my experience with Saxenda as Ozempic cant be given to diabetics here in Belgium.
So a doctor friend of my prescribed Saxenda. I wanted to lose 10 kilos. Exercise is not for me and I drink daily a bottle of wine+.
Anyways.
He took my blood and my liver was not good, steatose, GAMMA GT at 82 which is high.

I started in december and untill now I lost 8 kilo’s which is about 20 pounds I think.
Enough for me to be good and attractive 😎again, joking.

Now the arrangeer thing is. He send analizing my blood again and my GAMMA GT was 35, steatose disappeared without drinking less.
I couldnt believe my eyes.
Hé said it is a miracle product.
 

El Hijo de Manolo

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IMO it’s all madness. If one has a proper functioning endocrine system and begins to take black box pharmaceuticals such as liraglutide or semiglutide, you are asking for trouble. It’s all cosmetic and fun and games until one suffers a lactic acidosis attack or worse.
 

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Beberin works to help lower blood sugar. It does nothing to shut off the food voices in your head. Ozempic does.
If you have food voices in your head , I would say the issue is not the weight .

as to big Pharm
They have never invented anything.
They only take what is in Nature already, Synthesize it, and then Patent it, so they have a monopoly on the market for a while.. ie maximize profit .

Or they take their own Meds, and Re " Market" them for a new Purpose.. ( Ozempic being a perfect example of this )
Reason they do this ? is not to help people, cuz if that were the case they would have done it from day one that they made it .. they do this to solve a LOW Sales problem , to maximize profits .
Anyone who does not know this does not know how anything about Big Pharm.

Dont know which works better for any person.
] but I do know that Ozempic is a Major Health risk for some people .. had one in the family. '
You can literally die , even if your Doctor recommended it .
 
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“but I do know that Ozempic is a Major Health risk for some people .. had one in the family. “
Would you mind being more specific please?
 

jd426

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“but I do know that Ozempic is a Major Health risk for some people .. had one in the family. “
Would you mind being more specific please?
I will ask him what his specific side effects were and why his Doctor pulled him off Ozempic immediately.
If he had continued on it , death was a possibility.
I have no reason to make up a fake scenario.
4 others he started with , are still on it and doing amazingly well.
 

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If you have food voices in your head , I would say the issue is not the weight .

as to big Pharm
They have never invented anything.
They only take what is in Nature already, Synthesize it, and then Patent it, so they have a monopoly on the market for a while.. ie maximize profit .

Or they take their own Meds, and Re " Market" them for a new Purpose.. ( Ozempic being a perfect example of this )
Reason they do this ? is not to help people, cuz if that were the case they would have done it from day one that they made it .. they do this to solve a LOW Sales problem , to maximize profits .
Anyone who does not know this does not know how anything about Big Pharm.

Dont know which works better for any person.
] but I do know that Ozempic is a Major Health risk for some people .. had one in the family. '
You can literally die , even if your Doctor recommended it .
I wholeheartedly agree that, if one is not presenting with type 2 diabetes, semiglutide, as a "designer" drug or one that is used to treat weight loss (which is not proven, although creates a prolonged sensation of satiation) is highly risky. IMO it is akin to a weightlifter taking anabolic steroids(not for health reasons, but for cosmetic effects). If you do not present with insulin production deficiency, and proceed to take a black box pharmaceutical that has only been known to produce feelings of satiation as a secondary effect, you are guaranteed endocrinologic issues down the line. That is if you don't develop insulin resistance or suffer an attack of lactic acidosis in the meantime. Caveat emptor.
 
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